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evening, everyone. i'm larry kudlow. this is "the kudlow report." the talks are back on. team obama and team boehner are back at the negotiating table. but there is still substantial disagreement on tax rates, tax revenues, domestic spending and entitlement reform and the clock is ticking. speaking of tax hikes, europe's grand experiment with taxing the rich more is falling apart, especially in france and britain. and here at home, california and new york are passing through the 50% tax rate barrier. is anybody looking at how tax hikes fail the test of economic growth? >>> back here in the u.s., could it be michigan which used to call itself the worker's paradise union state is now moving towards new anti-union right-to-work legislation and it looks like it's going to pass? but first up, budget talks resume between speaker john boehner and president obama today. with just 25 days to go, let's keep tabs on where we stand. reports of a conservative backlash against speaker boehner simply not true. he has the solid support of his leadership and the rank and file. but there is concern a
in a news conference last month obama suggested he might let the top rate rise to levels somewhat lower than a 39.6%. that's the washington post this morning. below that, governors say the fiscal cliff would hurt their states' economies. several governors met at the white house yesterday and with political leaders to say something needs to be done or their economies and on the state level will be heard. -- be hurt. let's go to walter in new jersey, independent caller. good morning. caller: good morning. i don't know what's wrong with these people, because they have to come to some kind of agreement. the gop has to give ground, taxes wouldybody's go up just to save 2%. it just does not cut it. it is a bad move politically and bad for the country. host: polloi in johnsonville, virginia. -- floyd. caller: i was thinking about the fiscal cliff. i don't think that's the problem at. the problem is when we fell off the moral cliff. our president said gay marriage was ok. and america killing so many babies. side,e get back on god's everything else will take care of itself. that's the way it is. a gu
rates on americans. they're saying they're willing to raise revenue, but president obama has one criteria in this debate and that's raising income rates on all americans. right now, the sides are in their two corners on this and nobody is moving. so we're really only a couple weeks out and there's this huge gap, and eamon was right in another aspect. there is this brush fire of conservative lawmakers who don't want to raise revenue at all. so this is a huge problem for speaker john boehner, huge problem for president obama, and for the american economy. >> so right. does this come down to political opinion? is that going to be the sway factor? and if so, where is the political opinion? who gets that vote? >> polls in the united states show that raising taxes on the wealthy is an attractive proposition, a popular proposition. this might come down to december 28th or december 29th, december 30th where both sides are still locked in their corners and one side has to give. now, president obama ran his campaign on raising income rates, raising marginal income tax rates on americans. s
. president obama's insistence that any deal include higher tax rates for high-income earners. we asked wyatt andrews to tell us how that might affect small businesses. >> so we need a couple of boxes for these. >> reporter: kevin green owns two flower and gift shops in alexandria, virginia, and he says raising taxes on the wealthy won't just hurt him. it will hurt his workers and the economy. >> all you do is reduce the capital available for investment and employment. >> reporter: small business owners typically report business income on their personal taxes. in a good year, green's income will exceed $250,000, making him one of the taxpayers the president says should pay more. in his case, an estimated $8,000 more. what's the economic downside to asking eight more thousand dollars for you? >> i don't have $8,000 to spend on those employees or that inventory or the business that draws customers. >> reporter: by congressional estimates there are some 941,000 high-income small businesses. the president says that number includes truly rich small firms like hedge funds, but when republicans argu
house. president obama is adamant about protecting existing income tax rates for middle income earners and raising them on the wealthy. for the president the politics of this is very simple. he he ran on that issue and against republican obstructionism and won. if republicans don't relent on his issue, other fiscal cliff matters won't be discussed in the president's campaign to end the stalemate will continue. -election pond time since winning re-election, president obama welcomed the applause of hand-picked supporters and wa his calls tolicans not to ignore is calls to protect middle class households. >> it's time for us to work on >> reportel agreed to, which is allow eep middle class tax cuts for >> tax cuts for households that earn more than $250,000 to in a expire. increase.complicity and tax rate theyease. sted.hey're not interested. >> you're not going to grow the ou raiseif you raise tax rates on the top two rates. smalll hurt small businesses. econill hurt our economy. approach.y this is not the right r: toach. anythis impasse is one of many geithnerreasury secretary tim geith
the sequestration hanging over our heads. >> they constantly create a situation, try to blame obama. >> bill: kevin, do you think we dare say look, hold the line and if you don't raise rates on the top 2%, we're not going to make a deal? >> absolutely. hold the line. i'll gladly pay more taxes than to have some rich son of a bitch pay more. >> bill: you and me both. that's all right. i'm willing to do it. i am a patriotic millionaire. i ought to -- i should join the club. thanks, kevin for the call. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." which was just as you say -- maybe it was starve the beast. i'll look it up during the break. going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of
to pull in a total of $1.6 trillion. republicans want to keep tax rates the same b end deductions and loopholes but obama says that will not get the job done. >> it is not possible to raise the amount of revenue required for a balance the package if all you rely on is closing deductions and loopholes. let me amend that. it is possible to do theoretically but it is not practical or wise as a practical many. >>reporter: ending the mortgage deduction would hammer middle class and the charity deduction being ended would hamper universities and colleges. >>trace: when republicans say the higher tax rates will hurt small business? >>reporter: and that, cost jobs. the white house says only the top 2 percent or 3 percent of small businesses are affected republicans say those are the ones that create the vast majority of the jobs. speaker boehner suggests that capping deductions would actually protect the middle class. >> we have to cut spending and put revenues on the table. now, the revenues will come from, guess who? the rip. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have
a potential revolt within his party if he caves to the pressure from the president and lets the tax rates go up. president obama is meeting with business leaders about all of this right now and we expect to hear with him -- from him within the hour. alison burns, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> 7:16. florida republican senator marco rubio said republicans should take a strong stand against president obama's plan to raise taxes on upper income americans. last night, he was honored with the jack kemp leadership awards and rubio said he's against the president's plan because he says it will hurt businesses and workers. [ applause ] >> this isn't about a pledge. it isn't about protecting millionaires and billionaires. for me, it's about the fact that tax -- the tax increases he wants would fail to make a small dent in the debt but it would hurt middle-class businesses and the people who work for them. >> also, paul ryan was there. he delivered the keynote speech. he was last year's winner of the kemp leadership award. >>> controversial comedian katt williams says he's done. he's quitting standup comedy
? how much do we get from expenditures? how much more do we need? how much does obama care add? what is our growth rate? you know, we don't have a plan. >> yeah. >> and we're throwing these dollar numbers around like if they were nothing. >> i spoke with james clyburn, representative clyburn last hour, about the notion of raising tax rates on the wealthy and not where the president wants them. he said i want it higher. take a listen and then talk about it. >> we know where the president is. and that is 250,000. but there are a lot of democrats who voiced back before the campaign 500,000. some say even a million. all of that's going to be negotiated. the president wants 250. if mr. boehner wants to come and offer something different, i'm sure he'll do that but the president stands at 250. which is below even where i was but he won the election. >> do you think that's where the compromise is, have it at a higher rate, somewhere in there? >> i think what needs to happen is for the democrats to come forward with ideas for expenditures. because if not, what he's asking for is for speaker
that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one thing the president said very clearly, which is that tax rates would go up on the wealthiest. it's an incredibly popular position. it's important for republicans to know that the white house is not going to accept any kind of a deal. that's the point he was trying to make. i think all the leverage now is with the demo
go home for the holidays, and on january 1st tax rates would rise automatically on the top 2%. >>> and yahoo ceo marissa mayer is meeting with president obama to discuss the fiscal cliff. we just got a picture from the white house. you can see mayer just barely there on the right-hand side -- on the left-hand side of the picture, bottom left-hand corner. she joined more than a dozen other business leaders at the white house today. mayer is also making headlines for her speech to an invite only crowd in palo alto last night. she said she juggles her priorities listing god, family and yahoo. adding, quote, the baby's been way easier than everyone made it out to be. so those have been the two really terrific surprises. the kid has been easier, and the job has been fun. >>> for the second straight day, heroic actions saved lives from a burning vehicle. the good samaritan in this case jesus hernandez saw an rv on fire in east san jose. it happened this morning, and he heard screams for help from that rv. he grabbed a garden hose and was able to open the door and help two women out
. again, president obama said he's going to raise taxes by $75 billion. the deficit is large. where's the rest of his plan? he has to show us his plan. house members would like to extend all current tax rates permanently. that brings certainly the to the economy. get a subsequent bill for the sequestration. work with president obama in a good faith effort to get pro growth tax reform. that would work. we've got the ryan budget that spends $7 trillion less than the president's budget. that would restore the confidence that the economy needs. >> greta: senator, thank you. >> thank you. >> greta: with time running out, you would think that president obama would call the house and senate leaders and ask them to the oval office, but apparently something is wrong with the white house phones. he's trying to outsource the job to you. take a look. >> i'm asking americans all across the country to make your voice heard. tell members of congress what a $2,000 tax hike would mean to you. call your members of congress, write them an email, post it on their facebook walls. you can tweet it using
to the federal government without raising rates. >> republicans want to increase the eligibility age for medicare lower a cost of living. president obama's plan raising taxes but medicare and social security will be largely spared. the budget cuts. we're getting an idea about possible long term impact tax increases voter as proved in proposition 30 could have on state economy. abc 7 news joins us live now with the story. nannette? >> well, higher taxes are not expected to be a major hit to the economy. if you're looking for a job it's hard to hear about a possible slow down in highering. governor brown got voters last month to approve proposition 30. a temporary income tax increase and a boos0qz the sales tax to save public schools. but a new anderson forecast called it a double edged sword because that will have a slight drag on the committee, slowing california growth. >> republicans have been saying that sometime. it change behaviors. it's dampening economic recovery. >> the forecast estimates payroll growth hovering between 1% and 2% in next two years. it predicts the rate will average 10.5%
and democrats in congress to hold tax cuts hostage because they don't want tax rates to go up on upper income folks. >> reporter: mr. obama's opening bid includes $1.6 trillion in new revenue. half from higher rates in the wealthy. cuts in medicare and $50 billion in new infrastructure spending. when tim geithner laid out the plan for mitch mcconnell, aides on both sides said mcconnell burst out in laughing. house republicans offered a somber assessment. >> this is not a game. >> it was not a serious proposal. and right now, we're almost nowhere. >> reporter: lester, there is the inside game in washington and the outside game of public pressure that the president is trying to apply. he continues both of those this week. he meets with governors at the white house and more business ceos trying to get congress to move the votes in the house of representatives and get something done before january 1st. lester. >> mike, thanks so much. >>> still to come, charges dismissed against the u.s. open tennis ref who is accused of killing her husband. why the court decided to drop the case. >>> and discoun
the middle class and want to keep tax rates low for wealthy americans. >> it is all john boehner's fault. i wish president obama would stand up and not just talk about this in an abstract way and say hey, i am here for 98% of americans. i want to give you a continued tax cut january 1st. john boehner, john boehner is the only guy standing in the way. put the pressure on. just like we are doing it this morning. put the pressure on boehner. and i think he will cave if we put enough pressure on him and peter has told us how to do it. we are tweeting it. jim fowler from indiana. no. jim from fowler indiana. i'm sorry. >> hey. >> peter: hey, mr. fowler. caller: how are you doing? >> bill: what's going on caller: i would like john boehner to say why it's okay to take money from head start, poor people and the elderly but nots okay to take money from the rich. explain that to me. >> bill: explain thatis is welfare for the rich that continued bush tax cuts. >> they are not entitlements. they are earned benefits. >> bill: thank you. yeah. caller: farrant bene
immediate action to avoid those automatic tax increases and spending cuts come january. president obama is saying that with the way speaker boehner plan stands now, no deal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. we will have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we are not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> that was an exclusive with bloomberg t.v. and the first televised interview since the president's re-election. as you heard, taxes are the big issue blocking this deal from taking place. president obama is calling for downhill the amount of tax revenue as speaker boehner over the next tens years, most from the nation's top earners. many. republicans say that's not the way to handle this. here is marco rubio. >> it wouldn'ting make a small bent in the debt but it would heard middle class businesses. >> the g.o.p. could be risking a civil war over this issue. it does not look like obama is ready to cave. if that forces republican leaders to compromise staunch conservatives will likely rebel. more "bill press" up after t
as treasury secretary tim geithner confirmed mr. obama is prepared to take the economy over the cliff unless republicans agree to raise tax rates on the wealthy. >>> meantime in georgia, some activists expressed frustration about the stalemate in holiday spirit. they delivered symbolic lumps of kill to the offices of both of their state's u.s. senators. security guard met them, at chambliss' office. a few were let inside without the camera and media present. of course. that would have been the real story. >> folks are upset now. see what happens january 1 after you get the first paycheck and go, oh, this is what the fiscal cliff meant. yeah. 2013. the next story involves a new grassroots campaign that is starting. meant to draw attention to the nation's debt crisis. it is our "favorite story of the day." the campaign is called -- "the can kicks back." aimed at young people and features former republican senator allen simpson, a rather spry allen simpson at that. >> stop instagraming your breakfast and tweeting your problems and getting on youtube so you can see gangnam style. >> gangnam styl
-on-one television interview since reelection president obama says he will only agree to a deal that raises tax rates on top earners. >> we are not going to simply cut our way to prosperity or cut our way out of this deficit problem. we are going to need more revenues. in order to do that that start with higher rates for the folk at the top. the reasonien, the reason i say that is not to punish success or go after folk just because they are wealthy. it's a simple proposition that you can't raise enough revenue and if you don't raise enough revenue through closing loopholes abductions, it's going to be middle class families that make up the difference. bill: john boehner will speak later this hour. we'll see how he responds to that comment. if washington can't get a deep, automatic tax increases and massive spending cuts do take effect. martha: west virginia senator joe manchin, a democrat discussing the fiscal cliff, social security within medicare. he believes they must be run more efficiently. >> last year the office of budget management says $115 billion was misspent. that's a tremendous savings r
finds himself defending his own plans for members of his own party. in northwest d.c., president obama is on the hard sell trying to convince a group of business executives to support raising taxes on the wealthy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up the top 2%, and that includes all of you, yes? >> reporter: saying a fiscal cliff deal must include new revenues. the president pushed his plan to raise taxes on household earning over $250,000 a year. >> and i am here to tell you that nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> reporter: john boehner has a hard sell of his own with conservatives upset over his offer of $800 billion in new taxes. >> the plans the white house has talked about us this far, they could not pass either house. >> reporter: a "washington post" poll finds 53% would blame republicans if the country went over the fiscal cliff while only 27% would blame the president. >> we need new thinking and renewed efforts from all americans. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are voicing support for extending middle class tax cuts until a larger deal is found. >> which i
president obama, this from an interview with bloomberg tv a short while ago saying we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. the president hadn't gone there before. perhaps there was perhaps a wiggle room following thought. still there is no line in the sand how much rates have to go up. the white house position is that they must go back to clinton rates for top earners. that is nearly 40% on amounts of more than $250,000 a year. republicans have put $800 billion of unspecified tax revenue on the table but they're saying no to a tax rate increase. democrats have said no to that proposal.% in response to that a spokesman for house speaker john boehner saying despite republicans offer to put real revenue on the table the president has offered no concessions whatsoever. when will this willingness to compromise materialize??3 now republicans and democrats say there are no major meetings planned, no summit for democrats and republicans yet to get together and talk on this. the white house says they imagine that there is
melissa: rally mode. i am melissa francis. lori: i am lori rothman. president obama telling business leaders he is cheering for their success. tax hikes for the wealthy saying there will be no deal without tax rate increases. melissa: 11,000 now out of work at citi. slashing jobs taking a billion dollars charge as it repositioned oppositions. charlie gasparino tells us it is even more cuts are on the way. lori: new warnings and ethanol blended gasoline. joining us on whether you should be worried about what you put into your gas tank. let's get up to speed, back the floor of the new york stock exchange and nicole petallides. economic data on the service industry. nicole: looking good, lori and melissa. up 125 points. after two days of selling we are seeing some market action to the upside. we are above the 13,000 mark, well above that. 13,076. the nasdaq squeezing it out. concern for apple, but financials are doing well. let's take a look at the group. laying off 11,000 workers, that is the plan. a new ceo in place and he wants to make his mark. up 6.5%. it is under pressure
news. all right let's go back to washington now because president obama may be signaling that there is some flexibility in the battle over raising tax rates. here he is yesterday. >> i am ready and able and willing and excited to go ahead and get this issue resolved in a bipartisan fashion so that american families, american businesses have some certainty going into next year. and we can do it in a balanced and fair way, but our first job is to make sure the taxes on middle class families don't go up. martha: okay. so president obama is also saying that he wants to raise taxes on families earning more than $250,000, but that move would only generate about $85 billion a year. that is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of u.s. debt. and that number is about what the federal government spends in just eight days. so if he gets what he wants everybody over 250,000 pays more it's going to cover eight and a half days of the government spending amount and some would say the government spending problem. art laugher joins me now. architect of reagan tphopl i raeug reagann
and have them pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates. >> that seems to be the key to this entire fiscal cliff mess. president obama saying the roundtable was struck by ceo's willingness to pay higher taxes and patriotic duty and the president also talked about speculation they may want another death to inflate next year. he has to break that habit before it starts though it is of course up to congress to raise the debt ceiling by passing along. thank you. dennis: our next guest says they have the perfect solution for the financial woes. joining us now, one of those critical of the house speaker. thank you for being with us. let's just cut to the chase, what is your fix, sir? >> when you think fair share to the president's administration says, think flat tax. the president talks about warren buffett should pay with his secretary pays, but he is not proposed a single idea that will make that happen. we have the perfect idea. you want them to pay the same rate, i want them to pay the same rate, but i have a way to do it. you give a 15% flat tax on income
? >> wouldn't that be nice? how about return to the bill clinton era on capital gains rates? it was bill clinton who pushed it down. now president obama is pushing it way up. yet it would be nice to return to the basis of bill clinton, but that's not what we're doing. we're taking a little bit more here, a little bit more there, a little bit more over there. all to pay for all of this wonderful spending that the president wants. >> steve: maybe in four years when hillary runs for president. you have got to figure that's going to happen. >> i wonder what's going to happen to the economy. it's weak now, you raise taxes a little bit more, what happens to the economy? >> steve: so many people have been forecasting that the president does raise rates, couple of years ago, he said during a recession, that's the worst time to jack up rates. now we're not technically in a recession, but we're in a very soft edge. >> watch out, steve, 'cause here it comes, a little bit more. >> steve: thank you very much. stuart varney doesn't do show tunes, but does talk about the news of the day and politics an
revenue, but here's the key. no rate increases in the top 2% of taxpayers. that's non-negotiable for president obama. >> we're not going to be able to got a deal without it. >> reporter: the white house says the republicans' math just doesn't add up. >> it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> reporter: negotiations have reached a stalemate. >> there's nothing going on privately that is not going on publicly. >> reporter: there is no plan at this time for congressional leaders to meet with the president at the white house, and it doesn't sound like he's sending out invitations any time soon. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> reporter: earlier, the president met with the bipartisan group of governors. >> we understand this will be a shared sacrifice, you have to look at spending cuts. states are willing to do more with less. >> the governors didn't endorse a specific proposal, not the white house version or the house republican version, but they did say that something must be done to avoid those massive mandatory spending cuts tha
the rates on the top 2% go up. we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> president obama draws a hard line on taxes. >> republican and the white house both have offers on the table on how to resolve the nation's fiscal cliff crisis. >> we wasted an enormous amount of time here, sparring back and forth in public. it's a good time to get serious. >> let's just go over the [ bleep ] cliff. because you know why? at least for a few seconds, it will feel like we're flying. >>> this morning, police are questioning a man in that deadly subway push. they say he has implicated himself in the crime. >>> duchess of cambridge is continuing to feel better. >> australian radio station was able to pose as the queen, get information on the phone about kate's health. >> want to see how her -- >> she is sleeping at the moment and she has had an uneventful night. >> mohamed morsi under siege after 100,000 protests in the streets. >>> l.a.'s mayor has announced an end to an eight-day strike at the largest port complex. >>> best man's friend is learning a new trick. how to drive a car. get off the r
dig in. the white house demanding higher tax rates for the top two tax brackets, and the republicans refusing. after rejecting the obama administration proposal last week, house republicans offered an outline for $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction, mostly through spending cuts. and while president obama would not answer questions about the counterproposal -- >> no deal better than a bad deal, sir? >> reporter: -- a senior white house official assailed it as a step backward, saying if republicans do not agree to some higher rates for wealthier taxpayer, the nation will go over the cliff, and the american people will hold the republicans responsible. wall street remains optimistic a deal will be struck. so the lack of progress is not yet resulted in a market plunge. but some economists estimate that because of the uncertainty posed by the fiscal cliff, at least 200,000 fewer jobs have been created this year. the official deadline is december 31st at midnight when the ball drops in times square. the deadline is before that, a week from friday when the house of representatives is schedul
president obama but john boehner doesn't like it. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and i said, you can't be serious. >> if they are gonna force higher rates on virtually all americans because they are unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, that's the choice they will -- they will have to make. >> if congress dodge act by the end of the year, tax cuts go up for everyone and across-the- board tax cuts go up. >>> the state is going to pay public schools and community colleges the $1.9 billion it owes them. it's money that should have been paid out over the summer buts -- but was deferred. and in march, schools will get another payment of nearly $1 billion the state was going to defer until april. >>> 8:17. students in five states will be in school longer. selected schools in colorado, connecticut, massachusetts, new york and tennessee are da to announce today that they are -- are due to announce today they are adding 300 hours of class time. >>> the boy scout denied his eagle scout award because he's gay will be honored by state lawmakers. he was told just days befo
court of maryland. senator cardin and i recommended judge grimm to president obama with the utmost confidence in his abilities, talent, and competence for the job. and the a.b.a. agreed with us and gave him the highest rating of unanimously qualified. i'd like to thank senators reid and mcconnell for breaking the logjam so that we could bring this to everyone's attention and commend senator leahy for the swift movement through the committee process. i take the -- i've had the opportunity to recommend several judicial nominees, and take my advise and consent responsibility very seriously. i have four criteria. my nominee must have absolute integrity, judicial competence and temperament, a commitment to core constitutional principles, and i ask for a civic engagement in maryland so they're familiar with the lief and -- life and times of the people they will adjudicate over. i mentioned these standards because often i -- i mention these standards often because i mean it. judge grimm does exactly that. he brings the right hard-working values to the bench and the necessary experience, s
split or the fiscal cliff because president obama's plan to avoid the fiscal cliff is not exactly flying with republicans. 32 days now count with me 32 tax rates soar, spending cuts automatically kick in and keep in mind there is a date that we're watching also before this, congress break for the holidays in all of 14 days. >> so to review the president's plan calls for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes, $50 billion in new stimulus spending, and $400 billion in unspecified cuts. the president for himself he's heading to a manufacturing plant in pennsylvania today to try to sell that idea. house speaker john boehner's reaction was essentially, get serious. so we want to talk about the numbers behind this. we're going to bring in ken rogoff, professor of economics and public policy at harvard university. you heard the specifics of the plan, $1.6 trillion in new taxes, $400 billion in unspecified cuts, $50 billion in new stimulus. how does this sound to you? >> well, it certainly sounds like a plan. and i do think we have to see some mix of higher revenues starting now and frankly going on into th
. spending cuts. >> the white house drew its own line in the sand and said tax rates must go up on the top earners, but -- >> the middle-class tax cut should be made permanent. >> president obama stayed out of the fiscal cliff discussions and sat down for lunch with former rival mitt romney. >> i am sure they will or have already compared experiences on the campaign trail. >> today president obama hits the road to push for his plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. but republicans have slammed him for campaign-style politics that they say just won't get the job done. rob and sunny, back to you. >> can you really imagine that they're not going to reach some sort of deal to avoid the fiscal cliff? i mean that would be so unpopular across the nation. >> you would -- if you can take an action that would solve the problem for 98% of the country and then come back to the debate about the wealthiest 2%, let's get that first chunk done. republicans fear they could lose leverage if they cave in on the middle-class issue. apparently the president, his team has made increased demand here including, a provis
marshalling tax rates or taxes on the rich was a red herring in debt reduction. the problem that you have is right or wrong, obama has just won the election on that basic pledge to raise taxes. >> wrong, wrong, wrong! you know what, that makes no sense. how many people do you know that said i'm going to vote for the president to have more debt, and in an economy that can't grow it's way out of the issues? we currently only take in about 15.5% revenues. we need to get to 2021. >> i understand that. >> it's not a tax problem, it's a growth problem. and he has no growth plan. so then they blame others, because they don't have a plan. >> but he was able to get through the election doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it. i'm just pointing out -- >> you know what, le
and in his first post-election interview president obama again rejected the house republican counteroffer that is on the table. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> let's hope he sticks to it. >> g.o.p. leaders aren't only dealing with the president and congressional democrats they're dealing with a split within their own ranks. more conservative republicans don't want party leaders to compromise anymore than they think they already have. even though the republican plan offers up $800 billion in new taxes without upping tax rates at all tea party leaders say higher taxes shouldn't be in any form because it is not what republicans stand for. south carolina senator jim demint went so far as to call on supporters of his senate conservative fund to call senate republicans and ask them to oppose what he's calling the boehner tax hike. the looming question for re
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